“tracing art = using reference” nice try holly brown but no

“tracing art = using reference” nice try holly brown but no


Have you ever seen somebody post something
online, and just thought to yourself . . . “you should probably delete this, because this
is not a very good post”. “I won’t lie. This is definitely me when I’m” looking
at my own content. But, the situation I’m talking about today
is the first time I’ve seen someone post something and thought “you probably shouldn’t
have deleted this, for ethical reasons . . . but I’m still glad you did because it was still
a pretty bad post”. So yes, it’s me. Greetings parasocial parish. Rejoice, for today father is blessing you
with a mess. Honestly there are no other words to describe
this situation. Sometimes in life, things just go to far,
and we have reached that point everybody. But fear not, for I am here to enlighten you
all, and um get some views while at it. So who deleted what, what am I even talking
about , and why does it matter. Well, it kind of doesn’t . . . but, nothing
makes me laugh anymore except irony and ironic TikTok compilations, which is actually still
irony, and now I just admitted that I watch TikTok, some of them are good, okay. But this situation that happened a couple
of weeks ago actually make me laugh, so we’re going to talk about it anyway. So today we’re talking about a big Art YouTuber
that I put in the title for views named Holly Brown. Holly’s fans like to describe her as being
blunt and honest. But I guess after this, we’ll just have to
shorten it to blunt. Long story short, she has hundreds of thousands
of subscribers, millions of views, and she made a YouTuber apology video. Yes, we now have one of those in the YouTube
Art community. But there’s one tiny problem with her video. It’s completely fake. And I have screenshots. So let’s go through it. Also, I’m going to be drawing fanart in
this video because um, graphic design is my passion Also, I’m obviously going to be cutting
a lot of parts out of her video, but please watch the full thing if you want to check
my math. And also, also, I’ll be adding some music
to her video to kind of complete the YouTuber apology aesthetic for her. Now let’s get into this. “I’m sure somebody will think less of me for
explaining this to you, but that’s okay, people hate me for various different things and if
you don’t like the fact that I use references and I don’t freehand everything, then that’s
fine.” Yeah see, I will say nobody should really
get hate for using a reference. Like, in all seriousness, artists use references. I’m using one in the drawing I’m doing right
there. How can you freehand something if you’ve never
seen it before? So, I’m with her so far. “And I realize no matter what I say, somebody
is gonna think I’m lying, and that’s fine. Like, I don’t care”. Uh oh. “Um, a lot of people pointed out that I did
not draw this Alphonse in the background. That was actually just traced from a reference. Um, well not even from a reference. I straight up just like traced it”. Well that’s not using a reference then,
that’s just . . . tracing. And you didn’t mention that it was traced
when you posted it to your Twitter. “I just mostly do this to help with composition
to figure out everything”. You trace . . . entire characters . . . with
very neat lines just so you can like figure out where they go? I’m really trying to stay on your side here
so could you please provide an example? “And here’s an example. I will photoshop s–t in, to figure out how
it’s actually done, and then I will, you know, adjust from there”. Yeah but that’s not what you did. Unless by “adjust from there” you mean
tracing. In which case, interesting wording go off
i guess. “I do that a lot for a lot of my drawings,
so sorry to say that I do Photoshop a lot of s–t to figure things out. But I don’t just like take things like this
and keep them in the final artwork.” Again, Photoshopping a lot of stuff is not
what you were doing. You literally just said that you straight-up
traced over artwork. And do you see how she keeps doing that? Like “I’m sorry for this thing that’s
not bad or wrong” and then her entire fanbase is like “oh Holly! you don’t have to be
sorry for this thing! Because it’s not even bad or wrong thing!” And it’s like . . . well, true, but that’s
not . . . what she did . . . so . . . “And I apologize if anyone thought like that’s
just my process is just like stealing screenshots from Full Metal Alchemist then drawing it. That wasn’t my intention”. See, she did it again. “I honestly kind of forgot that I uh, I hadn’t
redrawn the final image. Because again, these were– when I originally
had posted them, I posted like this one and this one I think.” Okay I was really trying to give her the benefit
of the doubt here but, let me get this straight. She forgot that she traced it? She forgot that she carefully, and neatly
traced over the whole thing with a small brush, left it in there, and then uploaded it to
Twitter, because she was too distracted by the fact that she also posted one other image. Uh. “But yeah I just wanted to be honest with
you–” “Another thing that I do is I use mood boards,
uh where I take colors from various different things”. Cool but that’s literally not part of the
issue and nobody accused you of that so, now that we know you’re a tracer and you tried
to pass off tracing as using a reference, let’s just skip to the part where you lie
about deleting your twitter. “Another thing is, I actually deleted Twitter. Social media in general has been very uh toxic
for me. That’s– that’s why I– well it wasn’t really
why I deleted the Twitter. Um, I deleted my Twitter because I was spending
three hours a day on Twitter, not to mention I don’t think social media is necessarily
good for my mental health. Especially when there’s drama”. Oh so you didn’t delete your twitter because
this person called you for tracing? It was only because you spend too much time
on it and definitely not because you can’t delete tweet replies so the callout was just
kind of on your Twitter forever? Hmm. But wait! As this person pointed out, (insert picture:
hytc1.png) Holly didn’t even delete her Twitter .She just protected it. That’s right, she just put her Twitter account
on private and then told all of her subscribers that she deleted it. It’s like– She has . . . a quarter of a million
subscribers, did she think . . . no one was going to check? “When I post sketches that are really rough
like this, it means that it’s not final artwork. I kind of assumed people knew that, but again
I can see how that’s seen as like really bad. And I’m sorry if like any of you were like
*gasp*” So now it’s my fault for not knowing. You Know what, I am pretty much done with
this video. “I probably shouldn’t have posted that picture
on Twitter and I’m sorry.” That’s . . . That’s it. That should have been your whole video. It should have just been three seconds long. “And yeah, I recognize that this is like lazy
as ba–s to do something like this in your process, I know. And, I will probably just maybe do like a
vague outline of something, and stop doing this. Just so I can avoid ever accidentally posting
something again.” “Really funny right? Hence my laughter and big smile.” “Okay. I just wanted to like, say that. Because again, I don’t want to start any drama.” “That’s not how it works! That’s not how any of this works!” Spreading misinformation about professional
artists . . . is kind of . . . can you—don’t. Professional artists do not trace over artwork
and then upload it to their personal social media accounts, without specifying. In fact they wouldn’t upload traced artwork
to begin with. The comment section was so badly informed
even I was surprised. I mean I know when it comes to finding accurate
information online it’s pretty hit or miss . . . but in Holly Brown’s comment section,
I guess they never hit, huh. I’m sorry, I’ve been watching a lot of
TikTok videos lately and I don’t know what to say for myself. So we’ve all had our laugh at this trainwreck
of a situation. Or at least, I have. And honestly, that’s good enough for me. But, you know what, I need this video to be
ten minutes for that extra ad revenue so . . . I guess we’ll take a look at some of the
positives in this situation. If we have to Over the 160 videos she’s uploaded, Holly
Brown has undeniably helped a lot of people. And 160 videos is a lot of work to put into
a YouTube channel. What we should not do is trace artwork and
then upload it to Twitter without credit, I think we should also not cancel Holly Brown. It was an honest mistake (except it was extremely
dishonest), but it doesn’t negate all of the good that Holly has actually done on her
channel and all of the good videos she’s made. I’ve made mistakes, you’ve made mistakes,
it could be argued that YouTube itself is a mistake. And we can criticize those mistakes and laugh
at them, but we can also do that without trying to end someone else’s career. Know what I mean? I don’t have time to cancel anybody, there
are too many TikTok compilations for me to watch. We can cancel her after I’m done with those,
okay?. Sorry, but TikTok and the Word of God, are
the only “trending topics” I’m following right now. This was all my opinion on the topic, I’m
pretty curious as to what yours was. Anyway, looks like I’ve gotten ten minutes
of content out of this so, leave a like, tell me what you think, and subscribe if you haven’t
already. Thank you for watching and a big thank you
to my 42,000 subscribers. Okay bye. Draw or trace? I guess you’re gonna trace, huh? You’re using reference, you really thought
you tricked us! Nah! You’re gonna delete your Twitter and we
won’t miss ya! Then go on YouTube and you act like you’re
the victim!

100 thoughts on ““tracing art = using reference” nice try holly brown but no”

  1. Good video. Like I get you not agreeing and thinking I’m a dirty tracer whatever, but I draw a lot, and fast. I need to have shit be accurate quickly or I can’t pay bills. I do agree I shouldn’t have posted a WIP that had a trace/ref, which I literally said publicly on my channel. I won’t agree on it being a flawed way of working. Using photoshop to smash stuff together is kinda what it’s for. But yeah your funny as hell man but I kinda wish you made your own content, not just criticism of others. Idk I deleted twitter and haven’t regretted shit as it’s negativity and makes me wanna shitpost and post WIP shit. Idk in general I’m kinda done with interacting with people who have no intention of having a conversation. I’m already crazy I don’t want more craziness from dumb shit. But yeah hopefully drama gives you Adsense coin. – insert some fuckin game reference I don’t know –

  2. The problem is, anyone can trace. It doesn't show that you have any talent or put any effort in and if you traced fan art or other people's art then that's just plain theft

  3. In the comments Holly says "I draw a lot and fast (yada yada) I need to have stuff accurate and quickly"
    but if that's the case i don't see why she didn't Photoshop it in like she "usually" does?? It takes a lot less time than tracing, especially so neatly idk man I just don't understand the thought process here ig.
    If it's all about speed and definitely not art theft then I don't see why she'd choose the slower option, especially when she said that she USUALLY uses Photoshop.

  4. what is her response lmao. Holly Brown, idk what shit you are trying to pull off, but there are multiple artists who are calling you out, you are calling yourself out with your stupidity.

    Look at the image. The traced part is so much more clean an polished, then the legs and the character beside th traced part. Obvious difference. Nice try, but I think all of us can see through your bs

  5. Tracing art is not the same as using a reference. I don’t think tracing is bad ONLY when the artist who traced gives credit to the original artist.

  6. So this has got me thinking, I drew something and traced a face of a person and some of their body but I drew hair and clothes and coloured the picture, so is it bad or okay?

  7. She says in the comments she needs things to be accurate fast but she traced the entire character neatly instead of doing an outline of him or just shopping him in and not bothering to trace the whole thing??

  8. Holly’s comment is so ratchet. “ I can’t pay bills” so I steal instead.
    Why don’t you get a new or second job. Or maybe do your job better. JS

  9. I'm not sure how she wouldn't have noticed the difference of line quality between her drawing and the traced "background character" before posting.

  10. Watching this video now (Sept 2019) and I legit got an ad for something called the Draw Lucy that projects your drawing subject onto the paper so you can trace is.

  11. Idk why you guys are being mean we were all tracers before right? She made a mistake and said she did doesn't that count? Yes she can be blunt but who isnt when someone else is blunt they dont get accused by it she was trying to defend herself. Take a chill pill. I understand criticism but to make a whole video about her? How much drama do you want? Your embarrassing her more posting a public about her that's not criticism that's just plain wrong and disrespectful

    Everyone cant lie and sit there and say oh I never traced before at least she draws and does something that she likes and stood up for herself. Who does that now adays with this society and social media? To stood up to her words. First off who are we to judge her it's not like anyone knows her personally. We are all people on a screen . Have some human decency I bet if you all were in the same boat you'd all feel the same way

  12. Yes tracing can be a bit of a issue, but she did admit it and barely said she owns the trace. She did not say she owns the trace so please, let her be ÓwÒ
    I know she has an certain attitude but.. Can you really change it with a video?

  13. I trace artwork from anime because amazon doesn't sell any good quality merch for the animes I like!

    Amazon doesn't have the merch you want oh so badly and you're broke? Well just trace a random image on google and kaboom you got anime merch drawed by some crayons

    Just look at this stick figure with spikey hair it's perfect!

    I don't need to spend 30 dollars on anything

    And as long as I'm not selling my traced artwork and I'm only using it for personal use I'm fine right?

  14. When I started out with actually doing art, I traced in my personal sketchbook and then would try drawing it on my own until I actually got the hang out making hands or feet, etc. I never claimed it as my own work though, and I never showed people those sketches. I don’t do that anymore because now I realize it’s not hard to take a reference and picture it out in your head after studying it. I realize how lazy it was of me to trace as well. You can’t get better by tracing but you can get better by practicing sketches. Who cares if it doesn’t look good the first time, you have a sketchbook for practice, not for paying your bills. Final pieces are supposed to be original, hard earned work.

  15. Isn't almost all of the art community have an apology video like I've seen thousands from our community you can't say this is the first one

  16. I think tracing can be helpful in building muscle memory and more closely examining different forms of art, but it isn't content you should redistribute. It's just practice. I don't do it anymore, but I did some tracing in early middle school which I think helped me expand my ability to pose characters, but, again, I kept that stuff to myself. It's not art you sell and you shouldn't put out videos of yourself tracing or live stream it either, since it isn't you content.

  17. "Social media has been very toxic for me."
    She kinda dug that hole herself, didn't she? Promoting herself as being "honest" and "blunt", but not stopping to consider that maybe, *just maybe*, that sort of attitude doesn't engender much sympathy when you're in hot shit, eh?

  18. A better lie would be "I was using it to practice inking". I could see that, and it would explain how nice it looks. If I'm practicing composition, though, I don't think I'd bother?

  19. I used to watch Holly but she seemed a bit weird. The type to be all “bOohOo pay my bills or gtfo.” She always had an asshole attitude and just came off all types of wrong and negative.

  20. I think tracing is fine if you do it to learn or to figure where things go,like I trace poses and hand gestures when I can't get it right,but I make it really sketchy so I can add my own details, but claiming someone's art style as your own…I don't know man,I never trace a character before,I don't find it fun :/

  21. This marks when this stopped being an art channel and started being about internet drama. Congratulations on your newfound niche' (?)

  22. It’s okay to trace other peoples art and/or references. But, you can’t trace something and post it and make money off it, that’s art theft. Also, in her comment she said “I wish you’d make your own content instead of criticizing other people’s” bitch wtf do you realize how ironic that is?

  23. I made a point recently on Ethan Becker’s video about how I have the utmost respect for people who can draw traditionally as well as digitally and many “geniuses” said oh catch up to the times. The point I was making is, so many digital artists have anatomy, perspective and line confidence problems. I said it on the other channel how I wish I could never again have to hear “that’s just my style” because the “artist” can’t draw noses. I have a big problem with digital only artists and I don’t respect them as real artists because without a tablet and stylus, they couldn’t draw anything well. Hell they couldn’t draw blood if there wasn’t a digital medium. I have seen this shortcut art and it is hard to accept it as real art and it’s hard to call the people who made that artists, because you don’t have the skills to make art on your own in a traditional way. If digital art died tomorrow I would still draw I’d still be a good artist. I just feel like there’s no shortcut to anything and if you are using a shortcut method you’re only gonna have so much time until you implode. Either others will find out (like in this video) or your art and lack of talent will come shining through when a real artist sees what you do and how you do it. Start taking the time to hone your craft and learn actual drawing skills so that if you ever get put on the spot, you can perform the task to a tee.

  24. the first mistake that she did wasn't even as bad or serious as how off-handed her "apology" was. Her whole attitude comes off as she doesn't care about other's opinions but at the same time tries so hard to convinve people how good she is.

  25. Aight, just some additional to this, in animation industry for example, you are actually needed to draw the same face, hair, or body part of a character so only in this situation it's kinda ok to trace, so in another word, tracing isn't bad if you use it "correctly"

    or it's ok to trace just for studying the basic of the object for yourself… don't post it tho lmao

  26. Nothing wrong with tracing. The real problem is her not owning it and trying lie about it. Plenty of artists rip others off and do just fine, just look at people like Shephard Fairey, Jeff Koons, fuckin Andy Warhol. D'Angelo doesnt know what hes talking about.

  27. It's really not hard:
    Don't post shit you didn't make and pretend you did.
    Don't be a smarmy bitch when you get called out.

  28. Ok, yes tracing art and posting it as your own isn’t called using a reference
    But if you’re a new artist looking for a style tracing art and getting that muscle memory in which will later develop your own type of art is actually really good, it’s good to trace an art piece you like (ex: anime, or an insta artist) for me I trace Goku and draw him from looking at the image on screen and it really helped me get to where I am now, but ya, tracing art and not using it as a proper reference isn’t cool

  29. I am not going to lie. When I was a kid, I'd trace out of dork diary books so that I could practice with the style. It wasn't like I was trying to make a whole career out of it, though.
    Also, isn't tracing other ART illegal if you claim it as your own??

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